Re: [californiadisasters] Digest Number 1428

At 03:29 AM 1/26/2011, you wrote:

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RE:

"Question: When you have nothing but air, how do you build a road on it?"  and

"i live in big bear and yes this road being out is causing a lot of trouble for the business that count on folks to come up here,
unknown when this road will be fixed .. we have heard it could take 2 years too..Joann"

We've also heard that the repairs could take up to two years if a bridge is involved - which it very may well be.  Kim and others make the very salient point that repairs cannot begin in earnest until we have a period of dry weather.  This, of course, may be some time coming.  The other issue is that there are three points of repair and the lower and upper sites will have to be repaired to allow access to the middle (and worst) of the repair sites.  In the meantime Highways 18 and 38 remain as the only sources of egress for fire and other evacuations, woefully short of what may be needed in an emergency...

In any case thanks to Kim and others for making more folks aware of this local California disaster in the making for San Bernardino mountain merchants and residents.

Dennis Robertson
Crestline, California

Re: Digest Number 1424

Posted by: "Dennis Robertson" denrob@csusb.edu   denrob123

Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:28 pm (PST)

Thanks for posting this, Kim. The devastation

created by this inundation of rain will take some time to be resolved.

RE:

"The mountains received totals of 10 to 28 inches, highest in

the Lytle Creek drainage and Crestline area. "

Our rain gauge in Crestline (5200 feet) recorded

over 33 inches of rain during the six day period

described below. (We're showing over 46 inches

for the season so far.) I'm sure it was more in

the higher elevations that were below snow

level. It truly was relentless at times. (One

day over 10 inches, one day over 8 inches and one day over 6 inches of rain.)

This is what brought down Highway 330, the major

artery to Running Springs and the Big Bear

area. There is not much media coverage of this

event but since the road repair is expected to

take at least one year Running Springs and Big

Bear area merchants have already suffered

greatly, and will suffer more. Some are likely

to loose their livelihoods due to this

closure. Any patronage of them would be most appreciated, I'm sure.

Dennis Robertson

Crestline, California

Re: Digest Number 1424

Posted by: "newnethboy" kef413@gmail.com   newnethboy

Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:01 pm (PST)

Even the one place on SR 330 they've shown on the news* will take at least

weeks, if not months, to repair. (Correction: The KCBS/KCAL Website has a

story on this (Jan 6) that says "years".)

Question: When you have nothing but air, how do you build a road on it?

(Hint: It's not like a sinkhole where the land around the hole still

exists.)

And of course, the land that remains is not stable, so even if they could

just go in and rebuild, they can't go in until everything dries out without

falling.

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* One picture of this:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=resources/traffic&id=7868481

Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:50 pm (PST)

i live in big bear and yes this road being out is causing alot of trouble for the business that count on folks to come up here,

unknown when this road will be fixed .. we have heard it could take 2 years too..Joann

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