Saturday, April 21, 2018

[californiadisasters] Emergency Manager’s Weekly Report 4-20-18



Good Afternoon Everyone,

 

This week's edition is now available on our new website at:

http://www.emergencymanagersweeklyreport.com/

 

I will resume publication on May 4th.

 

Steve Detwiler

EM Weekly Report Editor




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Thursday, April 19, 2018

[californiadisasters] Re: [California's Earthquake Forum] Of Ugly Step-Children & Yahell Frack-ups



I just checked out groups.io and it looks really good-especially the ability to integrate other websites and storage sites. That's my vote. Personally, I think it would breathe new life into the group.

Lin

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:54 PM, 'jimrawls' jazzpiano@ca.rr.com [californiasearthquakeforum] <californiasearthquakeforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

The platform she mentioned is one which has a lot of blind subscribers to different groups, and I can vouch that it is a wonderful platform indeed, as I belong to several groups who use it. Jim

 

From: californiasearthquakeforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:californiasearthquakeforum@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 10:11 AM
To: californiasearthquakeforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [California's Earthquake Forum] Of Ugly Step-Children & Yahell Frack-ups

 

 

Thanks Kate, it is an interesting platform. We will continue to look at the options, as we have been doing throughout the years. Should the need arise to move the group it would be done, and in such a way and to a platform, which our members find the most the most convenient and useful. This Group has been here on Yahoo, and active, since 2001 despite the many changes the company has gone though.

In short, I and the Group's Co-Owner, Catlan, do not see any compelling need for moving it. As always, your comments are encouraged and welcomed.    

 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 4:07 PM, "Kate Hutton katehutton@gmail.com [californiasearthquakeforum]" <californiasearthquakeforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I've had good luck with groups.io.

 

Kate

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Hardin Rich hardinrich@sbcglobal.net [californiasearthquakeforum] <californiasearthquakeforum@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I'll take that fight Kim. Because one feature is not working correctly or allowing you access at this time, though I was able to to so, is no reason to get all puffed out of shape. Let's take a look at things and see if any settings have changed or whatever before asking if we should pull up stakes and get out off Yahoo.. Really Kim, Facebook or Twitter? Those are really not set up for the posting that our groups do when something happens. Granted, the amounts of posting here has cooled down from the amounts in the past but what's the big deal? How much has occurred to post about?

You have Cal Disasters on Facebook, how do the replies and topics compare between platforms? Are you getting more information in and out, more in-depth content? From what I see, I do not think so. And, Twitter would be considered a contender platform how? Again, I have seen Cal Disasters on Twitter and it is not the same. Links, short video clips and tweets just do not do it. Maybe it's just me but prefer quality to quantity.. 

 

 

 

 

   

 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:46 AM, "'jimrawls' jazzpiano@ca.rr.com [californiasearthquakeforum]" <californiasearthquakeforum@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Ok, for me, groups work. So what about setting up this in google groups? If you go to face book etc. I'm out. Jim

From: californiasearthquakeforum@ yahoogroups.com [mailto:californiasearthquakef orum@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:07 AM
To: CaliforniaDisasters; California's Earthquake Forum
Subject: [California's Earthquake Forum] Of Ugly Step-Children & Yahell Frack-ups

 

 

Today is the 112th anniversary of the last major rupture of the San Andreas Fault Zone in Northern California (Loma Prieta in 1989 was not major). This led to an urban conflagration of San Francisco in the days following for which the disaster is most remembered.

Typically, CaliforniaDisasters and CaliforniasEarthquakeForum members receive automatic Calendar event announcements of this disaster (and others) with a brief description... These were not issued this morning for both groups. In fact, the last automatic one received for CaliforniaDisasters members was February 10, 2018 (two of them) and for CaliforniasEarthquakeForum was February 9, 2018.

This morning I have repeatedly tried to get into the Calendar events feature from within the home page web interface for both groups and received this message each time: "Your access to this calendar is being processed. Please check back later." I'm sorry, but I'm over it!

It is time for the CaliforniaDisasters family to have this discussion again: do we continue on Yahell Groups? What strong arguments remain to keep this version going when the Facebook and Twitter and Reddit versions (especially the Twitter) versions are so much superior and clearly Yahell treats their groups service as their ugly step-children?

For those who feel technologically limited and believe they can only do Yahoo Groups, I'm willing to get on the phone with you and walk you through the process of getting set up on Twitter which is actually quite amazing for our purposes. Retired moderator Gene Salvetti made the same argument in the early part of this decade and I poo-pooed it at the time. Later, I converted, realizing the deepening quietude on the fire and earthquake Yahell groups was not an expression of disinterest in the subject but rather that folks had moved on to better platforms like forums (example: the late Wildlandfire..com Hotlist) and Twitter for sure. Twitter features hundreds and thousands of great fire and earthquake and other disaster accounts of which I follow 802 of them and only share the best and more relevant stuff so even if you only follow me on Twitter you will be getting a very synthesized and cleaned-up stream of useful and relevant information but with visuals like photos and GIFs and even short WEBMs as well as commentary from scientists and first responders and emergency managers, et al.

Let the dialogue commence. For those making the argument we stay here my initial response is FIGHT ME! :-p

Der Gruppen Oberfuhrer


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[californiadisasters] Re: Of Ugly Step-Children & Yahell Frack-ups



I despise twitter and it's limits
facebook selectively limits what's in a persons feed, encouraging content originators to pay to play to push to the group members. (Boost This Post)
Yahell and Google groups seem about equal to me, performance wise. I moderate several groups on each platform


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Wednesday, April 18, 2018

[Geology2] Castell de Mur: a major, fatal rockslide in Spain on Monday



Castell de Mur: a major, fatal rockslide in Spain on Monday

Posted by Dave Petley
18 April 2018

Castell de Mur: a major, fatal rockslide in Spain on Monday

On Monday a major rockslide occurred at Castell de Mur, in Catalonia, Spain.  Estimates suggest that this rockslope failure had a mass of about 50,000 tonnes, and a volume of about 20,000 cubic metres.  As the image below shows, the landslide came off of a steep scarp and swept across and buried a highway.  Unfortunately there was a car on the road at the time, and the two occupants were killed.  This image, tweeted by the local fire and rescue service, provides a good overview of the landslide:-

Castell de Mur

An overview image of the rockslide at Castell de Mur, tweeted by the local fire and rescue service

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Meanwhile, this image, posted by Naciodigital, shows the impact of the landslide on the road:-

Castell de Mur

Image of the rockslide at Castell de Mur. Image posted online by Naciodigital, taken by Pallars Digital.

Carlos Jiméne, an engineering geologist, pointed that this is an area with a history of landslides.  He noted that near to this rockslide there is an abandoned small village called Les Esplugues de Mur. This village had to be abandoned around 70 years ago because of effects of repeated rockslides, which even destroyed some houses. The only remaining building was the church, but this has been destroyed in the rockslide on Monday.  It appears that the landslide on Monday followed a period of heavy rainfall.

It is worth noting the challenges faced by the emergency service in an accident like this.  Accessing the site is very challenging, and of course there is always the risk of further slope collapses.  Moving the boulders, when they are this size, is a great challenge, and of course a rockslide such as this is very traumatic to the victims.

Acknowledgement

Many thanks to Carlos Jiméne, Antoni López-Arenas i Cama  and Oscar van der Velde, all of whom very helpfully and kindly alerted me to this rockslide.  Your help is really appreciated.

Source: https://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/2018/04/18/castell-de-mur-1/



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Posted by: Kim Noyes <kimnoyes@gmail.com>



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Re: [californiadisasters] Re: Of Ugly Step-Children & Yahell Frack-ups



a group I belong to has moved from Yahoo to Google due to messages not getting through to the members. It seems to be a good fit. 


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 7:22 PM, dboconnor1@earthlink.net [californiadisasters] <californiadisasters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Kim et al. :


Yahoo is not perfect but I would prefer it to most alternatives.  

Twitter I tried briefly to get twits from a cousin and found the length limits to be very frustrating, I deleted Twitter from my laptop and from my iPhone and will not use it under any circumstances.  

Facebook is an excellent way to see pictures of the children and grandchildren of my cousins but I do not think it is a good way to convey serious information immediately, even if it is a closed group.  Additional problem is that Facebook also funnels ads to you based on content.  I was looking at info on Facebook page of an Islamist group and for the next several weeks was getting ads for some Islamic dating site.  Rather fascinating as it involved pictures of women with women wearing veils with only the eyes visible.  Some did have pretty eyes however.  

I have never heard of Reddit but guess it is something like Twitter.  

I always check Yahoo posts from the group.  I could not tell you the last time I checked the groups FaceBook page.  

I am a retired full time EMA director (for 27 years) and am interested in the group but will likely drop out if it leaves Yahoo.

Best of luck whatever you do.  It is nice to see anything that helps increase situational awareness..  

David







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[californiadisasters] Re: Of Ugly Step-Children & Yahell Frack-ups



Kim et al. :

Yahoo is not perfect but I would prefer it to most alternatives.  

Twitter I tried briefly to get twits from a cousin and found the length limits to be very frustrating, I deleted Twitter from my laptop and from my iPhone and will not use it under any circumstances.  

Facebook is an excellent way to see pictures of the children and grandchildren of my cousins but I do not think it is a good way to convey serious information immediately, even if it is a closed group.  Additional problem is that Facebook also funnels ads to you based on content.  I was looking at info on Facebook page of an Islamist group and for the next several weeks was getting ads for some Islamic dating site.  Rather fascinating as it involved pictures of women with women wearing veils with only the eyes visible.  Some did have pretty eyes however.  

I have never heard of Reddit but guess it is something like Twitter.  

I always check Yahoo posts from the group.  I could not tell you the last time I checked the groups FaceBook page.  

I am a retired full time EMA director (for 27 years) and am interested in the group but will likely drop out if it leaves Yahoo.

Best of luck whatever you do.  It is nice to see anything that helps increase situational awareness.  

David






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Re: [californiadisasters] Of Ugly Step-Children & Yahell Frack-ups



Numerous of my former Yahell groups have migrated, painlessly in fact, to groups.io which appears to be better in many ways.  So far it's free and hasn't belched as this place often does (no delayed, regurgitated emails).

Google groups is another option.  I am still on a couple groups there.

I've not seen a large amount of email on this list in well over a year, so I'll defer to the group decision.  FB is not a valid choice for a large diverse group and provide little to no email interaction.

Rick


On 4/18/2018 11:06 AM, Kim Noyes kimnoyes@gmail.com [californiadisasters] wrote:
 
Today is the 112th anniversary of the last major rupture of the San Andreas Fault Zone in Northern California (Loma Prieta in 1989 was not major). This led to an urban conflagration of San Francisco in the days following for which the disaster is most remembered.

Typically, CaliforniaDisasters and CaliforniasEarthquakeForum members receive automatic Calendar event announcements of this disaster (and others) with a brief description. These were not issued this morning for both groups. In fact, the last automatic one received for CaliforniaDisasters members was February 10, 2018 (two of them) and for CaliforniasEarthquakeForum was February 9, 2018.

This morning I have repeatedly tried to get into the Calendar events feature from within the home page web interface for both groups and received this message each time: "Your access to this calendar is being processed. Please check back later." I'm sorry, but I'm over it!

It is time for the CaliforniaDisasters family to have this discussion again: do we continue on Yahell Groups? What strong arguments remain to keep this version going when the Facebook and Twitter and Reddit versions (especially the Twitter) versions are so much superior and clearly Yahell treats their groups service as their ugly step-children?

For those who feel technologically limited and believe they can only do Yahoo Groups, I'm willing to get on the phone with you and walk you through the process of getting set up on Twitter which is actually quite amazing for our purposes. Retired moderator Gene Salvetti made the same argument in the early part of this decade and I poo-pooed it at the time. Later, I converted, realizing the deepening quietude on the fire and earthquake Yahell groups was not an expression of disinterest in the subject but rather that folks had moved on to better platforms like forums (example: the late Wildlandfire.com Hotlist) and Twitter for sure. Twitter features hundreds and thousands of great fire and earthquake and other disaster accounts of which I follow 802 of them and only share the best and more relevant stuff so even if you only follow me on Twitter you will be getting a very synthesized and cleaned-up stream of useful and relevant information but with visuals like photos and GIFs and even short WEBMs as well as commentary from scientists and first responders and emergency managers, et al.

Let the dialogue commence. For those making the argument we stay here my initial response is FIGHT ME! :-p

Der Gruppen Oberfuhrer



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